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		<title>By: Jason Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-3003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This preso and blog pre-dated that capability.  For the record, you can&#039;t do automatic imaging using third-party imaging.

 If you can customize WinPE and write the scripts, you can just as easily use any imaging solution with SCCM R3.

Though it wasn&#039;t true when this was written, it is today: ZENworks is dead. Novell killed it. They came too soon with a major overhaul replacing a stable, sturdy platform with a flaky, painful behemoth.

Despite it&#039;s faults, SCCM is clearly the future for schools as the former Novell goes the way of Lantastic, Token Ring, and Travan tapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This preso and blog pre-dated that capability.  For the record, you can&#8217;t do automatic imaging using third-party imaging.</p>
<p> If you can customize WinPE and write the scripts, you can just as easily use any imaging solution with SCCM R3.</p>
<p>Though it wasn&#8217;t true when this was written, it is today: ZENworks is dead. Novell killed it. They came too soon with a major overhaul replacing a stable, sturdy platform with a flaky, painful behemoth.</p>
<p>Despite it&#8217;s faults, SCCM is clearly the future for schools as the former Novell goes the way of Lantastic, Token Ring, and Travan tapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this post is very old already, but just want to mention that with ZCM you can choose to use either the traditional Novell imaging based on Linux or use what they call third party imaging with WinPE in combination with either ImageX or Ghost. Nice thing is that you can even use a mix of these technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this post is very old already, but just want to mention that with ZCM you can choose to use either the traditional Novell imaging based on Linux or use what they call third party imaging with WinPE in combination with either ImageX or Ghost. Nice thing is that you can even use a mix of these technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2928</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is no.  If your users rely on the Application launcher, they will be disappointed by the move to SCCM.  There is no programatic way to dynamically deliver a set of application shortcuts to users based on authentication.  (Now, supposedly, SCCM v.Next will have something to address this gaping hole in the current product.  Microsoft appears to have hoped some third party would&#039;ve stepped up to the plate - but it hasn&#039;t happened, to my knowledge.)

We&#039;ve had limited success with a combination of Group Policy Preferences, folder redirections, and Access Based Enumeration providing a limited corollary to NAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is no.  If your users rely on the Application launcher, they will be disappointed by the move to SCCM.  There is no programatic way to dynamically deliver a set of application shortcuts to users based on authentication.  (Now, supposedly, SCCM v.Next will have something to address this gaping hole in the current product.  Microsoft appears to have hoped some third party would&#8217;ve stepped up to the plate &#8211; but it hasn&#8217;t happened, to my knowledge.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had limited success with a combination of Group Policy Preferences, folder redirections, and Access Based Enumeration providing a limited corollary to NAL.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2927</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also would like to know if there is an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also would like to know if there is an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amelie

I don&#039;t know of any reason why both agents wouldn&#039;t be functional installed on the same machine.  The clients don&#039;t share any ports that would cause a conflict that I&#039;m aware of.

I can&#039;t imagine the performance of a machine running both agents would be stellar.  Further, since SCCM and ZCM offer substantial feature overlap, I don&#039;t know why you&#039;d want both management platforms in your environment.

The short answer is, &quot;Yes, probably.&quot;  I wouldn&#039;t recommend it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amelie</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any reason why both agents wouldn&#8217;t be functional installed on the same machine.  The clients don&#8217;t share any ports that would cause a conflict that I&#8217;m aware of.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the performance of a machine running both agents would be stellar.  Further, since SCCM and ZCM offer substantial feature overlap, I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;d want both management platforms in your environment.</p>
<p>The short answer is, &#8220;Yes, probably.&#8221;  I wouldn&#8217;t recommend it.</p>
<p>jlc</p>
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		<title>By: white</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2884</link>
		<dc:creator>white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, can someone tell me if zenworks 10 and SCCM R2 can both reside on the same XP computer?
Thank you in advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, can someone tell me if zenworks 10 and SCCM R2 can both reside on the same XP computer?<br />
Thank you in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cyr</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, Have you found ANY comparable products to Zen&#039;s application launcher?  We are contemplating a move to SCCM, but rely heavily on NAL

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, Have you found ANY comparable products to Zen&#8217;s application launcher?  We are contemplating a move to SCCM, but rely heavily on NAL</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The announcement of the full AdminStudio (rather than the ZENworks edition) practically coincided with the development of this presentation.  In point of fact the announcement was public at the time, but the Novell PR and Marketing engine didn&#039;t do a stellar job getting the word out.  Your point though is well taken; ZENworks does have a superior application repackaging solution.

The ability to extend ZCM imaging with Ghost Enterprise substantially increases the cost of ZCM.  The comparison becomes invalid once you license the Symantec product.  

WSUS costs nothing.  For ongoing ZCM patch management there is a recurring annual fee.   While the benefits of ZCM patch management might outweigh WSUS, the fact that it has a hidden annual cost tips the scale to SCCM.

The overall point of the presentation is this: ZCM is not ZDM version.next.  It is not an upgrade, it is a major migration.  Organizations committed to Novell WILL be able to survive the pain of migration, accept the long list of new limitations that accompany the short of improvements, and enjoy the ZCM platform.

If the comparison were ZDM7 vs. SCCM, ZENworks is the hands-down winner.  In System Center, Microsoft has stepped up with a full featured platform at the same time Novell took a major step backwards with ZCM.  Novell&#039;s timing couldn&#039;t have been worse.

As more and more schools adopt the Microsoft platform, ZENworks no longer provides the same foothold to maintain a Novell presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The announcement of the full AdminStudio (rather than the ZENworks edition) practically coincided with the development of this presentation.  In point of fact the announcement was public at the time, but the Novell PR and Marketing engine didn&#8217;t do a stellar job getting the word out.  Your point though is well taken; ZENworks does have a superior application repackaging solution.</p>
<p>The ability to extend ZCM imaging with Ghost Enterprise substantially increases the cost of ZCM.  The comparison becomes invalid once you license the Symantec product.  </p>
<p>WSUS costs nothing.  For ongoing ZCM patch management there is a recurring annual fee.   While the benefits of ZCM patch management might outweigh WSUS, the fact that it has a hidden annual cost tips the scale to SCCM.</p>
<p>The overall point of the presentation is this: ZCM is not ZDM version.next.  It is not an upgrade, it is a major migration.  Organizations committed to Novell WILL be able to survive the pain of migration, accept the long list of new limitations that accompany the short of improvements, and enjoy the ZCM platform.</p>
<p>If the comparison were ZDM7 vs. SCCM, ZENworks is the hands-down winner.  In System Center, Microsoft has stepped up with a full featured platform at the same time Novell took a major step backwards with ZCM.  Novell&#8217;s timing couldn&#8217;t have been worse.</p>
<p>As more and more schools adopt the Microsoft platform, ZENworks no longer provides the same foothold to maintain a Novell presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.cdhtalkstech.com/2009/03/19/zcm-vs-sccm/comment-page-1/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The imaging environment in ZEN is based on SUSE.  The driver support for new hardware is notorious.  It&#039;s the major drawback of the Linux platform.  

Reliance on the opensource community for drivers for new hardware overrides all of the other points of comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The imaging environment in ZEN is based on SUSE.  The driver support for new hardware is notorious.  It&#8217;s the major drawback of the Linux platform.  </p>
<p>Reliance on the opensource community for drivers for new hardware overrides all of the other points of comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Althoug this blog post is a few months old, a quick responce.

I assume you&#039;ve seen ZCM now comes with Adminstudio Standard edition, not the stripped down version anymore.

On imaging, are you aware that ZCM can also work with winpe and ghost?

And, what makes the WSUS so great that it beats the pants off patchlink? With ZCM you&#039;ve got the integrated patch management, to me this beats the pants out of WSUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Althoug this blog post is a few months old, a quick responce.</p>
<p>I assume you&#8217;ve seen ZCM now comes with Adminstudio Standard edition, not the stripped down version anymore.</p>
<p>On imaging, are you aware that ZCM can also work with winpe and ghost?</p>
<p>And, what makes the WSUS so great that it beats the pants off patchlink? With ZCM you&#8217;ve got the integrated patch management, to me this beats the pants out of WSUS.</p>
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